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Understanding Scripture and the role of the Church in the 21st Century. We will wrestle with the Kingdom of God, the mission of God’s people, and how this applies to the Church in the 21st Century
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Monday Jan 08, 2024
Monday Jan 08, 2024
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie continue the discussion of the Dragon and his pursuit of the woman--the people of God. We have seen that God's people are the means by which God brings redemption, but now we learn that there is a Dragon (Satan) who will oppose the work of God's people. The Dragon, of course, has always opposed the work of God's people only now he has been kicked out of heaven and he is really angry. The Dragon's pursuit of the people of God (the woman) continues as the woman is brought into the wilderness by God. Even though the wilderness is a place of protection and of God's provision, it is also where the Dragon wages war against them.
Rob and Vinnie then discuss the time frame of 3 1/2 years (42 months) and how this derives from Dan 9:24-27. They look at the Daniel passage--which is a key passage for those who espouse dispensationalism and the idea of a future 7 year tribulation--and provide a response to this view in light of Daniel 9.
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Show notes
The “war” (12:7) that took place in heaven now moves to the earth (12:17).
The Dragon “pursues/persecutes” the Woman (12:13).
Exod 19:4
“The Dragon was enraged at the Woman and went to make war with the rest of her offspring” (12:17).
The Dragon
- stood opposed to the Woman even before Christ was born (12:4)
- who opposed Christ and attempted to “devour” Him (12:4)
- has been thrown down to the earth (12:9, 13)
- and is endeavoring to “make war” with the offspring of the Woman (12:17)
The Woman’s offspring are “the ones who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus” (12:17)
“Forty-two months”; “1,260 days”; and “a time, times, and half a time”
Dan 7:25; 12:7
In 11:2 “for forty-two months”
In 11:3 “will prophesy for 1,260 days.”
Daniel’s designation of “a time, times, and half a time,” appears throughout the Second Temple literature to refer to a period of tribulation for the people of God
It is of limited duration.
In popular end-times scenarios, the “tribulation” is 7 years long.
Dan 9:24-27
Daniel 9 focuses more on the restoration of God’s people through the Messiah
Deut and Lev warn the people of Israel that if they do not obey God’s covenant then God will send them into exile at the hands of a foreign nation
- This happens in 605 BC when Babylon conquers them and takes Daniel and many others captive
Lev 26:15-17
9:1-19 Daniel prays for the restoration and vindication of Jerusalem
1st yr of Darius the Mede; 539 BC
Jer 25:11-12
Dan 9: 5-6—they have sinned
Dan 9:7, 14, 16 God is righteous
Dan 9:20-27 Angel Gabriel answers
Lev 26:18, 21, 24, 28: “If also after these things you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.”
- Weeks/sevens
Dan 9:26: Messiah will be cut off
Karat: ‘cut’: used to describe the cutting ritual associated the ratification of a covenant
‘He’ will confirm a covenant with many (27)
The use of higbir (confirm) suggests the confirming of a previous covenant and not the making of a new one (for that one would expect ‘karat’ to be re-employed)
- Thus, by His being ‘cut off’ (26)—through death—the Messiah will make firm the covenant (not a failure, but a success)
- We have the enforcing of the terms of a covenant that was previously in place; not the establishing of a new one
Dan 9:27 One will come who make desolation
Monday Dec 18, 2023
Monday Dec 18, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie begin a study of Rev 12 and the Woman and the Dragon. This is an excellent chapter to understand for several reasons. First, it is a clear example of how apocalypses function. Second, the chapter aims to provide a context for "the war"--that is, the one the Beast wages against the Two Witnesses--the people of God/us included--Rev 11:7. Therefore, we are reminded by means of stark imagery of a Dragon pursuing a Woman, first her and then her child, and then, as we will discuss on the next episode, the offspring of the Woman. And, thus, it serves to remind us that the Devil is waging war against us (see Eph 6:11-18; 1 Pet 5:8-9.
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Show notes
Revelation 12 places the story of the people of God in the context of the cosmic struggle between Satan and God: The devil is a Dragon who stands opposed to the people of God in order to defeat them.
Genesis 37:9
Woman is Israel—the people of God: Mary; or the nation of Israel/Jewish people
The identity of the child becomes clear, “And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is going to rule all the nations with an iron rod” (12:5).
The reference to the “rod of iron” is most certainly an allusion to Psalm 2:7, 9.
The Dragon (12:3) stands in contrast to the Woman (12:1)
- both include the use of “sign,” “appeared,” “in heaven,” and “great.”
Dragon represents an untamable sea-going, creature.
Pharaoh is the serpent in Ezek 29:3
John leaves us with no doubt as to the identity of the Dragon (12:9).
the Dragon’s tail “swept down a third of the stars of heaven and he threw them to the earth” (12:4).
Interestingly, John glosses over Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.
“The Woman fled into the wilderness” (12:6).
The wilderness was a place of divine protection and a refuge in times of trouble.
- Jesus went into the wilderness after He was baptized (Matt 4; Luke 4; Mark 1) Moses fled from Egypt and found refuge.
- The Israelites later fled to the wilderness where God sovereignly provided for and nourished His people.
The wilderness also functions as a place of trial and temptation.
The wilderness conjures up positive images
- It was the place of God’s presence among the Israelites.
In terms of the narrative, the flight of the Woman into the wilderness also suggests that this is the present location of the people of God
- where they are both divinely protected and pursued by the Dragon!
“And there was war in heaven” (12:7).
- We should not restrict it to the heavens.
John makes the identity of the Dragon clear for us. He is the “great Dragon” (12:9)
the Dragon is called by two names.
First, he is the Devil (diabolos), which means “slanderous; or the slanderer.”
Secondly, He is called “the Satan,” which means “the adversary” or “the accuser.”
In 12:10, a heavenly voice rejoices “because the accuser of our brothers and sisters has been thrown down.”
The heavenly voice iterates that the Dragon is “the one who accuses them day and night before our God” (12:10).
12:11-12: a three-part hymn.
First proclamation: the kingdom of God has come
Second proclamation: they overcame him
Third proclamation: rejoice
The second part of the hymn appears to describe how the battle was won:
- first, they overcame “by the blood of the Lamb”;
- second, they overcame “by the word of their testimony”; and
- Third, they overcame because “they did not love their life until death” (12:11).
Monday Dec 11, 2023
Monday Dec 11, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie discuss Revelation 11 and the account of the Two Witnesses. Rob will argue that this is the center of the book and the key to understanding John's message. Who are the Two Witnesses? What happens to them? How does God bring redemption to the nations? Listen in to find out.
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Show Notes:
10:1-11:13 is an interlude
Relate to the “prayers of the saints” (8:3, 4):
- The interlude of 10:1-11:13 provides the long-awaited answer to the martyrs’ cry of how long.
Measure: prophetic act (Zech 1-2)
We need to ask why “2”?
The OT law of legal witness Deut 17:6; 19:15
“The two lampstands” (11:4):
- The seven churches are the “seven golden lampstands” (1:12; 1:13, 20; 2:1, 5).
John regularly uses singular nouns, such as “mouth” (11:5) and “body” (11:8, 9), in his description of them.
“Two olive trees and the two lampstands 11:4
Zech 4:2-3,
The likely OT background for the imagery of fire proceeding out of their mouths is Jer 5:14
Like Elijah they have the ability “to shut heaven, in order that it might not rain” (11:6).
Like Moses they have authority, “over the waters to turn them into blood” (11:6).
Like Moses they are able, “to strike the earth with every plague whenever they wish” (11:6).
“The war”
Their body will lie in the street of the Great City (Sodom and Egypt) 11:8
John links the suffering of the Two Witnesses with the suffering of Christ.
“Three and one-half days”--period of time during which the people of God suffer
7,000 is reminiscent of the number of those who remained faithful at the time of Elijah.
The rest became terrified and gave glory to God 11:13!!
Monday Dec 04, 2023
Monday Dec 04, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie examine Rev 10:1-11. Rob will argue that Rev 10-11 are the center of the book. The question has been, "How is God going to bring redemption to the nations?" and now we are about to find out.
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Notes:
10:1-11:19 is the center of the narrative of the book of Revelation
The 6th trumpet then ended in 9:20-21—did not repent
Exod 2:23-25
Exod 3 God says, “Moses!”
10:1-2
The scroll is critical:
- Father’s hand
- No one worthy
- Jesus was slain—worthy
- Jesus takes it
- Jesus breaks its seals
The fact that all of a sudden there is a Scroll and it is open surely indicates that it is the same scroll
10:3-11
Ezek 2:8-3:3
Ezek 2-3 is about Ezekiel being commissioned as a prophet
Rev 5:1, the Scroll had writing “on the front and back” (Ezek 2:10)
10:11: John is told to prophesy and the contents of his prophesy are 11:1-13!
Monday Nov 27, 2023
Monday Nov 27, 2023
This is the first presentation on Jesus and the Last Days. How do we understand the "Last Days" and "the age to come" in the NT? And what does it mean for the church today?
This episode first aired in 2019. For parts 2 and 3 see Mar 2019.
For more information see my book Understanding the New Testament and the End Times
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Monday Nov 20, 2023
Monday Nov 20, 2023
Rob and Vinnie interview Jack Munayer to talk about Jack's work with the Ecumenical Accompaniment Program in Palestine-Israel. Why would children need an international person to "accompany" them to school? Jack explains their work in the Palestinian Territories. Then we discuss the recent attack on Dauod and Daher Nassar and their status.
That episode was originally aired in 2022 but is being replayed in light of the recent events in Israel-Gaza
Eappi.org Contact person in your country to find out more info on how to get involved
Friends of the tent of nations
Map of Israeli settlements in West Bank
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Monday Nov 13, 2023
Monday Nov 13, 2023
In this episode, Rob interviews Gary VanderPol as they discuss global warming and the church. Gary gives some practical insights with regard to steps we can take to make a difference.
Gary is a professor, pastor, and activist. He has taught at seminaries in Costa Rica and Denver and pastored Evangelical Covenant churches in Oakland, Berkeley, and Boston. With Soong-Chan Rah he co-wrote Return to Justice: Six Movements that Ignited our Contemporary Evangelical Conscience. He holds a doctorate in the history of global Christianity from Boston University. He is currently coaching and cheering on churches that want to do creation care together.
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Some of the resources Gary mentions include:
David Wallace Wells's The Uninhabitable Earth
Norman Wirzba From nature to Creation: A Christian vision for understanding and loving our world
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Monday Nov 06, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie discuss in more detail why Rob believes that the 7 Trumpets are not God's wrath, but are instead a description of what happens to the creation when humanity remains in power. Rob also explains why he believes that the 7 Trumpets are a prelude to both the destruction of Rome's economy (the world's economy) and why the 5th and 6th Trumpets are to be understood in light of the war of "Armageddon."
Understanding Rev 8-9 is critical for discerning the meaning of the book of Revelation especially in contrast with the popular readings of Revelation.
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Here is Rob's blog on Global Warming and the book of Revelation
Monday Oct 30, 2023
Monday Oct 30, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at the 7 Trumpets in Rev 8-9. Rob argues that the 7 Trumpets do not relay God's end-times wrath but that they set forth what happens to the creation when humanity is allowed to remain in power.
Rob identifies several keys in the text that indicate, contrary to what many have suggested, that Revelation 8-9 is not setting forth God's end times wrath, but what happens to the creation when humanity is allowed to remain in power.
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Rev 8-9: 7th Seal and the 7 Trumpets
8:1 the narrative resumes and the Seventh Seal is broken.
- 7th Trumpet 11:15-19: the statement in 11:18 “destroy those who destroy the Earth”
- There is a complex overlapping structure to the introduction to the 7 Trumpets that indicate that something is going on!
John is advancing a narrative:
- The clear literary progression that occurs in the accounts of the Seals, Trumpets, and Bowls
- The 7th in each of the series of 7’s appears to bring us to the end: 7th Trumpet we read earlier is obviously the end; yet the 7 Bowls happen afterward
- Each of the 3 series of 7’s close with reference to the theophanic manifestations
Theophanic Manifestations
4:5
8:5 adds “earthquake”
11:19 adds “hail”
16:17-21
8:1 7th Seal
8:2 Intro 7 Trumpets
8:5 end of the 7th Seal
8:6 7 Trumpets
An angel with a censer in the middle of this (8:3-4)
The relationship between the Seals and Trumpets is seen in that both have a 4-3 pattern
Another link between the accounts of the Seven Seals and the Seven Trumpets is that John includes an interlude in the midst of each series.
- the interlude occurs after the account of the Sixth and before the Seventh item in each corresponding series.
They are also related in that they complement one another
- The 1st 4 Seals affected humanity: deception, war, famines—inflation; and death
- The 1ST 4 Trumpets directly affect the four divisions of creation—the earth, the sea, the rivers and springs (freshwater), and the sun, moon, and stars
Then how are they redeemed?
The scroll will reveal how the nations will be redeemed.
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Monday Oct 23, 2023
In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at Rev 7. Who are the 144,000? Who are the Great Multitude? Rob will argue that the 144,000 and the Great Multitude are the same group. John presents them as a fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham that from your seed all the nations will be blessed and they will become as numerous as the stars and the sand. The main point of Rev 7 is to remind God's people that they have the Holy Spirit so that they may endure the time of suffering and to give them a glimpse of the reward that awaits those who overcome.
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Show notes:
Rev 7:1-17
- 4 corners: 2x Rev 7:1; 20:8
2 Cor 1:22; Eph 1:13, 14
2 Tim 2:19
Rev 3:10; John 17:15
Gen 15:5
Gen 17:4
Deut 10:22
Servant (14x) 1:1*; 2:20; 6:15; 7:3; 10:7; 11:18; 13:16; 15:3; 19:2, 5, 18; 22:3, 6
Rom 4:11-13
Gal 3:28-29
7:15-18 corresponds to the description of the New Jerusalem 21-22
Hears 144,000
Sees GM
19:13 Blood on His garment before He comes down!
Holy Warriors
- 144,000 counted
- Num 1:3, 18, 20—numbering of people for war
- David numbers the Israelites (2 Sam 24) and Israel is judged!
GM Rev 7:9 waving palm branches