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Revelation 20:1-10: The Millennium Part 3

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie dive into the depths of Revelation in order to unravel the mysteries of the millennium. Join us as we dissect the intricate structure of the book, revealing how the wars described in various passages intertwine to paint a vivid picture of a present-day millennium. Don't miss out on the enlightening discussion that challenges traditional interpretations and unveils new insights into the prophetic text.

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Show Notes

Millenium: 1000 years–Christ’s rule 

Bridge section 19:11-21:8: 5 units 

19:11-16 Return (descent) of Christ

21:1-8 Intro to the descent of the New Jerusalem

3 units describe the judgment of Christ’s enemies

19:17-21 Judgment of Beast and False Prophet

20:1-10 Judgment of Satan

20:11-15 Judgment of Death and Hades

The war in 9:1-19 corresponds to the war in 16:12-16, 19:17-21, & 20:7-10

1. The repetition of the phrase, “to gather them together for the war” (16:14; 19:19; 20:8). 
2. The verb “gather” occurs only five times in the book of Revelation (16:14, 16; 19:17, 19; 20:8) all five occurrences are in these three accounts of “the war”: this links the passages
3. The war is waged by:

• “the war” which Satan wages upon his release 20:7 is waged by “the nations” who are “in the four corners of the earth” (20:8) 
• In 16:14, John says that “the war” is waged by, “the kings of the inhabited world.” 
• In 19:19, he says that “the war” is waged by, “the kings of the earth and their armies.”

4. Each of the accounts of “the war” is linked by the explicit indication that the enemies of Christ and the people of God are the Dragon (Satan), the Beast, and/or the False Prophet.

• In 16:12-16 all three are mentioned as instigators in “the war” (16:13). Then, 
• In 19:17-21, the Beast and the False Prophet wage war against Christ and His armies (19:19). 

Revelation 20:1-10: The Millenium Part 2

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie continue a deep dive into Revelation's most enigmatic passage (Rev 20:1-10) and the millennium. Rob argues that understanding Revelation 9:1-19 (6th and 7th Trumpets) is crucial for interpreting Chapter 20 and the millenium. Join us as we unravel these complex biblical texts and discuss their implications for modern faith and theology. 

 

Revelation 20:1-10 The Millenium: part 1

Welcome to our latest episode of the Determinetruth podcast. In this episode, Rob and Vinnie dive deep into Revelation 20 and the intriguing concept of the millennium. Exploring the three main views of the millennium, we uncover why this topic holds significance for believers today. Emphasizing the present reign of Christ, we dissect the structure of Revelation 20 and its implications for our interpretation. Moreover, we ponder Jesus' binding of Satan in Mark 3 and its potential influence on understanding Revelation 20. Tune in for a captivating discussion that promises fresh insights into this complex biblical passage.

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20:1-10

2 Thess 2:5; 1 John 2:18

Rev 11:7; 14:8

There are 3 diff views on the millennium: 

When does the millennium occur? 

Q: when does the 2^nd Coming happen with regard to the millennium?

1. Premillennialism: 2^nd Coming happens before the millenium: Christ literally reigns on earth for a 1,000 years 
2. Postmillennialism: 2^nd Coming happens after the millenium: Christ literally reigns on earth for a 1,000 years: Millennium is likely still future
3. Amillennialism: 2^nd Coming happens after the millenium: Christ presently rules from heaven through His people

One of the key questions here is what does it mean that Satan is bound

See: Mark 3:20-30

Chronology?

“The war” occurs before the return of Christ in 16:12-16 but in 19:17-21 & 20:7-10 it occurs after return of Christ; And in 20:7-10 it occurs after the 1000 years; but in 16:12-16 & 19:17-21 it occurs before the 1000 yrs

20:1-3 introduces us to Satan—as if we didn’t know who he even was

20:4-6 John “interrupts” the account of the destruction of Satan (20:1-3, 7-10) with an account of the victorious people of God (20:4-6). 

20:7 then resumes the narrative that was left off in 20:3 

20:4-6 seems like an interruption

The repeated use of a “thousand” (20:2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7).

It is my suggestion that the binding of Satan represents a present reality

This makes sense in that the binding was “so that” he can’t deceive the nations 

The suffering of the people of God corresponds to the present activity of Satan?

Revelation 19:11-16 The Second Coming of Christ

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie explore Revelation 19:11-16, unpacking the profound implications of the Second Coming of Christ. With insightful commentary and thoughtful analysis, they navigate the intricate symbolism and theological significance of this pivotal moment in Christian eschatology.

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19:11-21:8 Bridge section: sits in the middle of the accounts of the two women

The Great Prostitute (17:1-19:10) and the Bride (21:9-22:9)

 

Four clearly marked sections in the Apocalypse: 1:9-3:22; 4:1-16:21; 17:1-19:10; 21:9-22:9

1:9-10; 4:1-2; 17:1-3; 21:9-10: “come”; “In the spirit”; Location change 

I have labeled 19:11-21:8 as a “fifth bridge section”—even though chronologically it is the fourth section in the Apocalypse.

Because it is not marked as one of the 4 main scenes. but it is clearly a distinct section 

In the narrative, it seems like the Holy city can’t descend because the enemies of Christ/people of God have not been judged

This means that before the Holy City/New Jerusalem descends, Christ must first descend and judge the enemies of God (beast, FP, Dragon, Death/Hades).

This “bridge section” (19:11-21:9) is comprised of five units. 

• The 1^st unit (19:11-16) Christ descends –judge
• The 5^th (final) unit (21:1-8) the NJ introduced
• The middle 3 are clearly parallel: they describe the judgment of the enemies of Christ in the reverse order in which they were introduced in the narrative.
  • 19:17-21 Beast and FP (19:20b)
  • 20:1-10 Satan (20:10)
  • 20:11-15 Death and Hades (20:14)

The descent of Christ (19:11-16)

• White horse: Divine warrior
• “Faithful and True” (see 3:14)
• Eyes are like a flame of fire see (1:14). That His “eyes are like a flame of fire” indicates the presence of God and His authority as judge. 
• He has many “diadems”
  • Satan/Dragon 12:3
  • Beast 13:1
• A Name which no one knows
• Garment dipped in blood (see Isa 63:1-3)
• Tramples the wine press of the wrath of God
  • “trampled”: 3x 11:2; 14:20; 19:15
• Word of God
  • “Word of God” 7x (1:2, 9; 6:9; 17:17; 19:9, 13; 20:4)

The armies that are in heaven were following Him (19:14)

• Sharp sword
• He Himself will shepherd them with the rod of iron
  • LXX rendering of Ps 2:9
• Jesus tramples the wine press
• God, the Almighty
  • “Lord God, Almighty” 7x (1:8; 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7; 19:6; 21:22). 
  • “God, the Almighty”  2x (16:14; 19:15)
• He has on His garment and on His thigh a name written: “King of kings and Lord of lords”
  • Title for God alone: (Deut 10:17; 1 Tim 6:15)

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Who is "Israel"? Understanding Acts and the NT

Welcome to Determinetruth Podcast where we explore profound questions about identity and theology. In today's episode, Rob sits down with Jason Staples, author of "Paul and the Resurrection of Israel," delving into the enigmatic concept of "Who is Israel?" Unraveling layers of history and theology, they navigate Paul's intricate perspectives, shedding light on the resurrection and its profound implications. Join us for a thought-provoking journey into ancient texts and contemporary debates.

 

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Show notes

 

Deut 18:18 “Raise up a prophet like me”

Deut 34:10-12

Deut 30:1-14

Jer 31:31-34

Ezek 36:24-38

Acts 2: Pentecost: commemorates God’s voice on the mountain and gives them the Torah

Luke 22:29-30 12 tribes

Acts 1:6-8 Are you going to restore the kingdom to Israel?

Deut 4:27

Isa 66:18-24

Hos 1:9-10; 2:23

Jer 3

Ezek 37:1-10 Dry bones are the house of Israel

Ezek 37:15-23 Two sticks: Israel and Judah

• Israel must first be resurrected

Luke 15:11-32

Psalm 82

Romans-Galatians

• Israel needs restoration

Mark 12:28-37

Deut 6:4-6 Shema

 

Rev 17:1-19:10 The Great Prostitute Part 3

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie finish their discussion of the judgment of the Great Prostitute (Rev 17:1-19:10). They reveal how this biblical narrative offers hope and justice for the marginalized and oppressed. Unveiling layers of significance, we illustrate how the message transcends its ancient context, resonating profoundly with contemporary struggles. Join us as we illuminate the transformative power of divine judgment, revealing its inherent promise of liberation for the downtrodden and disenfranchised.

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Judgment of the Great Prostitute

She is drinking from her own cup: “in the cup which she mixed, mix double for her” (18:6). 

18:9-19 3 Laments over the destruction of Babylon

18:9-10 “And the kings of the earth”

• Kings who lived sensuously with her lament

18:11a; 15-17a  “And the merchants of the earth”

• the merchants of the earth, “who became rich from her” (18:15), lament because with her destruction, “no one buys their cargoes any longer” (18:11). 

18:17b-19 “And every shipmaster and all who travel by ship and sailors and as many as make their living on the sea”

• “all who had ships at sea” and who, “became rich by her wealth” (18:19) lament because “in one hour she has been made desolate” (18:19). 

John provides a list of goods (18:12-13)

• 28 = 7x4

“A strong angel” (18:21)

Strong angel (7x) 5:2; 10:1, 5, 8, 9, 10; 18:21-only in 3 passages! 

Great Multitude” only 3x! 7:9; 19:1, 6

3 hallelujahs: 19:1, 3, 6

“Avenge” occurs only 2x (6:10; 19:2)

Clothing

Contrasts the Great Prostitute’s nakedness (17:16).

“The fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints” (19:8).

Luke 18:8 “when the Son of Man comes will He find faith on the Earth? 

Rev 17:1-19:10 The Great Prostitute Part 2

Did you know that discerning the Great Prostitute of Revelation 17-18 is perhaps more important for the church today than understanding the Beast and the Mark of the Beast? In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at John's description of the Great Prostitute in Rev 17-18. More importantly, they ask: "Who/what is the Great Prostitute today?" Their answer is revealing.

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The Great Harlot 17:1-19:10; The Bride 21:9-22:9

She sits on many waters 17:1; Which are people 17:15

17:6; 18:24 “slain”

“I was amazed after seeing her: greatly amazed” (17:6)

• “amazed” 4x: 13:3; 17:6, 7, 8

She is sitting on the Beast (17:3) 

• She “says in her heart, I sit as a queen’” (18:7)
• God is the One who is seated on the throne (4:1-2)

Note who is ruling! It is not empire per se. It is the economic, commercial side of the empire

The Beast, the FP, and the Dragon = Satanic Trinity

The Beast, the FP, the Prostitute

• The empire, embodied by the Beast, rules

• The False Prophet is the source of the propaganda that demanded the worship of the Beast
• Babylon/the Great Prostitute represents the material and economic of the empire 

John: wants us to see the Great Prostitute for what she really is: her wealth was brought about through deception, slavery, and murder

• “by means of your sorcery all the nations were deceived” (18:23)

“These will make war with the Lamb” (17:14)

“And those who are with Him [the Lamb] are called, chosen, and faithful” (17:14)

Empires are often destroyed by forces from within.

John’s use of women: misogyny/patriarchy?

1. Revelation also portrays the people of God as the Bride
2. Revelation’s imagery is not meant to suppose that Babylon is actually a female prostitute
3. John’s choice to depict Babylon as a prostitute must be viewed against the imperial portrait of the goddess Roma
4. Must be read in light of the biblical depiction of Lady Wisdom and Lady Folly in Proverbs 1-9 
5. The Greek word for “city” was a feminine noun that required a feminine pronoun
6. John was not writing from a position of power. He does not have the power to exclude or silence Jezebel
7. The imagery of making naked, devouring flesh, and burning with fire are all associated with siege warfare

Rev 17:1-19:10 The Great Prostitute Part 1

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie begin to look at the 3rd main section of the Book of Revelation--the account of the Great Prostitute. This account does not get enough attention when it comes to understanding the Book of Revelation. Rob argues that this section may be one of the most important parts of the Book of Revelation. Have we been seduced by the Great Prostitute? 

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Show Notes: 

17:1-6

1. 17:18 Great City: Rome

1. Babylon: epitaph for Rome 
2. 17:9 she sits on 7 hills/mountains 

Babylon is materialism; commercialism; food, clothing, shelter; comfort; pleasure

 4 main stories/scenes

• John taken to a new location (Patmos, Heaven, Wilderness, Mountain)
• John is told to “come” 
• John was “in the Spirit” 

The Great Prostitute and the Bride

Contrasting visions of two women 

• The two women are actually cities 
• The Great Prostitute is said to be, “a home of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit and a prison of every unclean bird” (18:2). 
• The Bride, is the Holy City/New Jerusalem into which, “nothing unclean will enter” (21:27). 

• The Great Prostitute, Babylon, a voice says, “Come out of her, My people” (18:4). 
• the Bride, it is affirmed, “Blessed are the ones . . . who enter into the city” (22:14). 

17:1-19:10 is a courtroom scene

• the people of God function as the plaintiffs. 
• The defendant is the Great Prostitute. 
• God: “the One sitting on the throne” (19:4) serves as the judge. 
• The charge against the Prostitute is murder (18:24). 
• The case before the judge is the martyrs’ cry for justice.

Revelation is critiquing empire and offering an alternative kingdom

The book of Revelation must be viewed through the lens of contrasting kingdoms.

Wilderness is where the people of God are! (3x 12:6, 14; 17:3) 

There are 4 women in the book of Revelation: Jezebel (2:20-23); Woman 12:1-17; Great Prostitute (17:1-19:10); Bride (21:9-22:9)

John’s portrait of her suggests that she is attractive and seductive. 

Rev16 The Seven Bowls: Armageddon

In this episode, Rob and Vinnie look at Rev 16:1-21 and discuss the nature of the 7 Bowls and their role in the book of Revelation. This discussion includes an extensive look at the 6th Bowl and the famed "battle of Armageddon." Why do some manuscripts say, "Harmageddon." What is this battle? Well, it is likely not what you think. 

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Show notes: 

There are 2 main stories (4 main scenes: first two are stories)

• 1-3 John on Patmos 
• 4-16 John in Heaven 

16:21 marks the end of the second story (the heavenly vision) which began in 4:1 

This leads to the conclusion that the Seven Bowls are a depiction of the final judgment

16:1 voice from the Temple (15:6; 14:15, 17, 18)

The “it” that became a bad and evil sore I suspect is the Mark of the Beast itself

Sea is a common image of the place of opposition to God

16:5-7 Interjections: God is just

4^th Bowl: see 7:14

5^th Bowl: The Beast’s actions lead to their inevitable consequences–utter darkness 

In both the Sixth Trumpet and the Sixth Bowl, there is an army crossing the “Euphrates” (9:14; 16:12): these are only two references to the “Euphrates” in the book of Revelation

Three unclean spirits like frogs (16:13). Allusion to the Exodus story–plague of frogs

In case we were uncertain as to the nature of the frog-like beings, John adds, “they are the spirits of demons doing signs” (16:14). 

False Prophet: the ability to perform signs was one of its primary features (13:13-14) 

• The signs that he performed were the means by which he “deceives” the nations (13:14).
• 6^th Bowl: the signs are given to “the kings of the inhabited world in order to gather them for the war” (16:14). 

16:15 is a parenthetical insertion

• These words echo the message to the church in Sardis (3:3). 

“Armageddon”—“battle of Megiddo”

“Harmagedon”—“mount of Megiddo.”

Zech 2:11; Ezek 38-39

16:17-21 7^th Bowl 

“It is done” (16:17)

“Theophanic manifestations”

• 4:5 Throne Room
• 8:5 earthquake
• 11:19 hail 
• 16:17-21 nothing is added

A “talent”